The Quiet Warrior Podcast with Serena Low

91. How to Tame The Voice Of Your Inner Narcissist (Emma Lyons)

• Serena Low, Introvert Coach for Quiet Achievers and Quiet Warriors

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In this empowering episode of The Quiet Warrior Podcast, I am joined by Emma Lyons, trauma healer, shame exorcist, and Self Liberation Mentor who works specifically with quiet achievers, especially women who have internalised a voice of narcissistic control and mistaken it for their own. Emma shares her journey of overcoming depression, self-sabotage, and the relentless “shame voice” that kept her stuck for years.

Together, we explore themes that many introverts and quiet achievers will recognize — the struggle with boundaries, the invisible toll of narcissistic relationships, the weight of shame, and the quiet resilience it takes to heal. Emma explains how somatic work, nervous system healing, and energy medicine can transform shame into self-trust, and how introverts can reclaim their truth and freedom without burning out.


Quotes

“When you give yourself permission to pause, clarity comes more naturally than when you push.”

“Self-trust is built one small choice at a time—every ‘no’ that honours your energy makes you stronger.”


About Emma Lyons

Emma Lyons studied human rights law but never started that career, because she was caught in a vicious loop of depression, self-sabotage, and a relentless voice in her head tearing her down every day. It wasn’t just self-doubt or insecurity — it was something deeper, a toxic internal narrative that kept her stuck in shame and failure.

After years of trying everything — yoga, healing, therapy — Emma finally found a way to break free. Through nervous system healing, somatic work, and energy medicine, she reclaimed her power and rewired her mind.

Now, she guides women who’ve done “all the things” but still feel stuck, invisible, or burnt out to dismantle the shame voice that humiliates, controls, and impersonates them, and to reclaim their truth and freedom.


Links

DOWNLOAD: 5 Signs You’re Ready to Break Up with Your Inner Narcissist

Connect with Emma: 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trauma.matrix/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-lyons-traumamatrix/

FB: https://www.facebook.com/trauma.matrix

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@trauma.matrix

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@trauma.matrix

Substack: https://traumamatrix.substack.com/


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Speaker 1:

Hi, I'm Serena Loh. If you're used to hearing that introverts are shy, anxious, antisocial and lack good communication and leadership skills, then this podcast is for you. You're about to fall in love with the calm, introspective and profound person that you are. Discover what's fun, unique and powerful about being an introvert, and how to make the elegant transition from quiet achiever to quiet warrior in your life and work anytime you want, in more ways than you imagined possible Welcome. Welcome to the Quiet Warrior podcast. Today's guest is a trauma healer, shame exorcist and self-liberation mentor who works specifically with quiet achievers, especially women who have internalized a voice of narcissistic control and mistaken it for their own. Welcome, emma Lyons, to the Quiet Warrior podcast.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for having me. Serena, Great to be here.

Speaker 1:

Emma, tell us what's the story behind how you come to do this work.

Speaker 2:

Well, I mean, as is often the case for people doing this work, I really needed this work myself and I was trying everything, doing all the healing, doing all the therapy, and things weren't really shifting. I could see things shifting with other people, but with me it was much. It seemed to be really stuck and things didn't really move until I found this underlying pattern that I talk about. Uh, because that I feel that what I'm, what I'm talking about now, is really the, the substrata, like the base level, the, the undercurrent, if you like, the software that's running the whole show this.

Speaker 2:

I was unaware that I was stuck in a role. I was unaware that this voice in my head that was telling me that I was useless, that I was toxic, that there was sometimes got really malignant. I was confused as to when to listen to it and when, you know, not to. I was trying to be empathized with it and understand it. That's what everyone was telling me to listen to it and when you know not to. I was trying to be empathized with it and understand that that's what everyone was telling me to do.

Speaker 2:

So it wasn't until I really broke from that and put down firm boundaries with that voice that things really started to shift for me and I realized that you know you shouldn't pander to a narcissist on the outside, so why would you pander to some a narcissistic voice or entity inside your body, inside your head? So, and it's working really well for me, it's, and for the people that I work with this strategy, a lot of people who've done a lot of therapy, who have, like, really a lot of self-awareness and are still stuck. This is the final piece that really causes everything to shift into place, because they've been trying to empathize and feel into this and sit with the shame and things just haven't moved at all. And that was exactly my experience as well.

Speaker 1:

This feels like a revolutionary piece, emma, because you're right. In therapy we encourage our clients, we encourage ourselves to be accepting of all parts of us. We say all parts are welcome here and we do our best not to judge. We do our best to be that resource for that inner child that was helpless and powerless at that time. That was helpless and powerless at that time. But then what you're saying is that there is that one persona, one character, one personality inside this family of personalities that is refusing to do its part, that is somehow sabotaging everything else for everyone. How do you know that there is such an entity inside you? Does everybody have this inner narcissist?

Speaker 2:

I think a lot of people have it. To be honest, serena, it's a case of to what extent you have it, because we live in a very narcissistic world and narcissistic systems are everywhere. Even if you didn't have a narcissistic parent or family, very likely you had some dysfunction in your family. We all do, especially in western families. That's dysfunction is kind of more the norm, it's the kind of the standard more than anything else. So it's okay.

Speaker 2:

Some people they're able to turn it down and some people really struggle and they would be the people that might go on to have mental health problems, like I had depression or, you know, bipolar disorder, lots of other things and it really boils down to this, this, this toxic inner voice that really is carrying shame, and this is this is the key piece. How do you know you have this voice? This is the key piece. How do you know you have this voice? Is it shaming you and a lot of people and spiritual people and advisors and everything? They make it very complicated to know. Is this your higher self, or is this some other being that you shouldn't listen to? Or is this sabotaging you? And for me it's very simple now in my head is this voiceaming me? And if it, if it's shaming me, that's not my higher self, my higher, my higher self, your higher self, doesn't shame you. God doesn't shame people. This is shame as a human fabrication, and that's what I'm really convinced of now. There's no function for shame. It's just so baked in, particularly to Western culture, with this idea of Christian original sin, that it's kind of even great thinkers that talk about shame, like Brene Brown and John Bradshaw. They think you need a little bit of shame in order to be healthy, in order to be a good human, and Brene Brown went so far as to say that you need a little bit of shame. And if people you don't, people who don't have shame, they can't have empathy and they can't be, they're basically psychopaths. And I really, really disagree with this.

Speaker 2:

I feel like when they talk about this, they conflate guilt and shame. Shame says you're bad, and that's never a good thing. To believe that you're bad because we, either we do one. To believe that you're bad because we, either we do one of two things we internalize it or we externalize it. We find someone else to project it on and guilt is totally different. Guilt is I've done something bad and that can be positive. I know it doesn't feel good in the moment, but it's important to have that awareness. Oh my god, I did something, I hurt someone and I won't do that again. So that's what we need. We don't need to be shaming ourselves. Shame is always toxic and it's a fabrication from religion and from society. It's not something indigenous cultures have built into their system. It's a construct from society, from narcissistic empires and religion, particularly to keep everybody in mind. It's all about controlling people, keeping everyone in their little box, in their place.

Speaker 1:

So when a parent says to a child you know, shame on you for being mean to your little sister, what then actually are they saying? Are they not pointing out that the older child should have behaved better, more kindly?

Speaker 2:

is that a bad thing? This is, this is. This is the distinction between shame and guilt. Like if you say to a child you are bad, you are bad, you are there's, you are a bad child because you've done this. That's shaming. But you can say all right, little Serena, you've done something bad there, you've hurt your child. Encourage them to empathize with what they've done and understand why it's bad. You don't need to shame them for it, because they'll either internalize that shame or they'll externalize that shame. That's whatize that shame. That's what happened.

Speaker 2:

That's what happens with collective groups that have been all this shame like scapegoated groups. They they end up projecting it on someone else are internalizing it, and that happens on an individual level level as well, and it's always very, very destructive. It's never it's, it's never conducive to anything good. Whereas guilt, yes, you recognize them. The little child recognize oh, I've hurt my little sister, you've made them cry, see the results of that. But you don't need to shame them and say that you're a bad girl for what you've done. You can just say look how you've hurt this person. Let them feel the empathy. All humans, we have that natural empathy, and shame actually impedes us from feeling empathy. So when people say that you need shame in order to feel empathy like neurologically it doesn't make any sense either.

Speaker 1:

So what you're saying also is to separate the person, the intrinsic essence of the person, from what they do, because all of us are capable of doing bad things, of doing things that let ourselves or let other people down, that hurt others, but that doesn't necessarily mean we are a bad person. We're a person who made a bad choice in the moment and we can go and remedy whatever happened right. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 2:

That's exactly it. And in indigenous cultures, before religion and these societies came along imposing all these rules, that's exactly what it was like. If somebody hurt someone or killed someone or did anything bad, they came together as a collective and brought that person in. They didn't cast the person out and shame them. It's clear if you look at the empirical data that what we're doing by shaming people it's not working. It doesn't stop crimes from being committed. It actually causes them to internalize shame and then the cycle continues. And it's the same with families.

Speaker 2:

If we have been shamed, we go on to pass that on to our children one way or the other. There's no way around that. And shame I call it the kind of the code, the code of this trauma matrix that I talk about, because the shame is really how we are controlled. Without shame, we can't be controlled by these systems of domination, by anyone else. And if anyone says something insulting to us oh I hate your orange jumper, you look so ugly We'll just be like oh my God, you're crazy. We won't take it in. If we don't have that shame receptor, or that inner narcissist, as I call it, already active within us, the shame won't stick, we'll just laugh and we won't shame ourselves. So, really, this is the thing we can change. We don't need to change society in order to release ourselves from this bell of shame that we're all under what I hear you say is that shame makes someone an outcast and an exile.

Speaker 1:

So they are expelled out, they no longer belong and therefore they have to go and find. Either they stay by themselves in isolation, disconnected from community, or they also look for someone else to project that on, to pass that on, to put that out from themselves but make them hurt less by making someone else their victim. Is that how it gets perpetuated?

Speaker 2:

That's exactly it, and this is the. It's one of the roles in narcissistic or dysfunctional families. You have a scapegoat. These families look for a scapegoat. They look for someone because we don't want to deal with our intergenerational trauma, all the trauma that's been passed down for the generations. We're not doing any therapy or work to understand it. So what do we do? We find a child, usually a sensitive, introverted child, who may be a little bit quieter, a little bit more sensitive, and that gets projected and dumped on them. So this is why a lot of highly sensitive people can end up in that role and, yeah, it ends up being really destructive.

Speaker 2:

The scapegoat goes on, like you said, to either internalize all that shame and believe I'm bad, there's something wrong with me, I'm ugly, because when we're children, we can't believe that our parents did something wrong, they were bad. So we internalize that and it's kind of also a protective method. We shame ourselves in order to protect ourselves, and it's kind of illogical, but we shame ourselves first so that we won't be shamed from the outside, if that makes sense. So we get in there first by shaming ourselves so that it won't feel so bad when we get shamed from outside. So this is a thing that we do to kind of that's kind of counterintuitive, but emotionally that's kind of how it works to to protect ourselves from shame. We shame ourselves and we make it our fault.

Speaker 2:

I'm bad. This is why I didn't fit in as a child. This is why I wasn't happy, because there's something wrong with me. This is shaming internalized shaming that leads to depression, that leads to addictions, that leads to anorexia all kinds of dysfunction in adulthood. And also, like you mentioned, we either go down that route or we find someone else to project it on, find a soft victim to project it on, so that we don't have to deal with it. So we go on to recreate that cycle that our parents created because we don't have to deal with it. So we go on to recreate that cycle that our parents created because we don't know, anything else.

Speaker 2:

Shame is all we know. We don't want to deal with it, so we got to find someone to dump it on. And you can see that in society level as well, because it's happening as we speak. This is why there's so much rejection of immigrants and foreigners, because of all the unprocessed shame that we have collectively as a culture, as a society, we don't want to deal with it. So what do we do? We find a scapegoat. We find a scapegoat and it's their fault, so we project it all on them and that way we avoid dealing with our own shame. But it just goes on to create more and more of this. But the good news is that we can free ourselves one person at a time. We don't need to wait for society to wake up to what's happening.

Speaker 1:

So talk to us about how we do that as a shame exorcist. How do you exorcise shame? How do you expel it from yourself with that self-awareness, so that we become maybe immune to shame or protected from shame?

Speaker 2:

Well, the first, the real key that I've discovered is to recognize that shaming voice. It's not you, it's not you and that's not something that we're generally told. We're told that it's a part of you that's really, that wants to help you, that wants to look after your inner critic, that wants to keep you safe. And I've realized I mean, I have a covert narcissistic mother that this voice in my case, and I think in a lot of people's case, it's not so much an inner critic that's trying to keep us safe, it's more of an inner narcissist that's trying to keep us safe. It's more of an inner narcissist that's trying to keep itself safe. So, like a, like a covert narcissistic mother, it is trying to like the mother is not, doesn't really care about your safety. They care about how they feel about it. They don't want you to go traveling because it'll make them feel bad. They don't, they're not, they're not. They don't want you to go and be a singer because they'll feel anxious about that, because they don't think it can work out. So it's not really about trying to protect you at all. And that inner voice, that inner narcissist, is exactly the same. It's not trying to protect you, it's trying to protect itself from anxiety that it's going to feel it's not helping you expand, it's not helping you at all. It's actually keeping you small, keeping you in your place, keeping you in your little row. So that is key Recognize that it's not you, it's an inner narcissist.

Speaker 2:

And even just with that awareness that can really shift a lot, just by becoming aware that that voice isn't you lot, just by becoming aware that that voice isn't you. And then you know when it comes up. You have to defy it. When it comes up and it says you can't go there and sing, you can't do that thing, you can't study massage, you can't recognize that. And if it's something that you want to do, do it. Defy that voice. Defy that voice Not for the sake of defiance, because then you're still being controlled by the voice, but because it's what you genuinely want to do. So you've got to disconnect from that voice and do you Not? Do the opposite of what the voice says, but do exactly what you want to do. Don't listen to that voice, because every time you listen to it, every time you follow its guidance, every time you shrink when it says something, or even when you try to fight with it or try to make yourself right or make it see you're actually feeding it.

Speaker 2:

It's really very much like narcissistic supply you actually feed it and it grows the more you try to argue with it. So don't try to argue with it. Draw a line in the sand and say you're over there, I'm not talking to you anymore, I'm living my life. You're not, you're not you're, you're not controlling me anymore, you're not the boss of me. So we create that distance, just like we would with the narcissist out there in the world. We wouldn't, we would.

Speaker 2:

And this is what the therapists all say. You know, get away from them. Don't try to argue with them, don't try to convince them, don't try to tell them that they're a narcissist. Just get yourself as far away from them as possible. So we've got to do that.

Speaker 2:

And then it becomes a practice. It becomes a practice because you're not feeding the narcissist. It's going to starve because that inner narcissist, it needs the fuel. It only has power over you, while it can hook into your shame and get you feeling shame. So you've got to reclaim your shameless, what I call it. In English we have this word, shameless, which if people are called shameless, they're behaving badly, they're doing something way out of order, and I'm all about reclaiming that word, because shameless just means free of shame. When people are behaving what's called shamelessly, they're actually full of shame. They're behaving badly because they're full of shame that hasn't been processed. So I want to reclaim this word shameless. I want to be shameless, I want to live free of shame, and that's the goal that we're going for once, we start rejecting this voice and really living free of that and the highly sensitive child going through that childhood with a narcissistic parent would become, you know, more likely to to be the victim or the scapegoat, and then into adulthood.

Speaker 1:

That still happens because they've internalized that shame, that they believe that there's something genuinely wrong with them. But there's also another layer of you know for you. You did mention Western families, but I'm, you know, cultural conditioning wise. I'm also thinking of Asian families where, you know, shame is also a large part of, as you say, how we control our families, how we control the children. You know you have to behave this way. You don't bring shame on the family name. Now is that a different kind of shame that we're talking about?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think it's a slightly different flavor and we have that in the west as well, especially, like in the past, this idea of honor killings and stuff like that. That happened back in the day and it still exists. You know, don't bring shame on the family it exists in the West as well. But the key thing about Western shame is that it's internalized. It's a more internalized, individualized shame and that, I think, is different from what you see in Eastern you know, japanese and Chinese and other oriental cultures, because it's more external. It's more about looking good within the collective, not stepping out of your role, you know, keeping the family clean, keeping, you know, just staying in line. So there it is used to control people. But it's a slightly different flavor and it's not better or worse, it's just a different flavor. I mean, I personally feel that the individualized shame that we have in the West is even stronger, but it's like a slightly different flavor in Chinese culture and it is very self-destructive as well. I mean, I know that there's a lot in cultures like Japan.

Speaker 2:

You have a lot of suicide and what I realized in my research is that this voice, this inner narcissist, it can become like a malignant narcissist, it's like a covert narcissist. They're pretending to help you and it can actually metastasize into malignant narcissist telling you oh, you might as well not be here, you might as well disappear, everyone will be better off without you. That's like a really malignant voice and that's when people go on to do very self-destructive things, and I don't believe that suicide can really exist without that, without having that piece in place. So it's not so much about what's happening out there, it's about this internalized shame, this internalized narcissist, how deeply heavy ingrained it is into your system and how much you really buy into it. And so many of us we believe it, we believe that voice, we believe everything that it says and everything that it makes us feel and we believe it to be true. And then we go on to sabotage and destroy ourselves.

Speaker 1:

I think a lot of us are not even aware that we are buying into the voice of this inner narcissist because we haven't identified it as such and so, like you say, we are feeding it inadvertently by engaging with it, by trying to prove that we are smart enough or attractive enough or successful enough, that we're good enough with it's. It's like having, it's like still trying to please or gain approval from the external narcissist figure in our lives yeah we freeze, fawn and, you know, fight.

Speaker 2:

You know those are the three, three responses to trauma and are, to you know, external and what the voice, when it comes along, a lot of us go straight to fawning. We just do what it says. We follow along, we try to prove, and when we're trying to prove that we're good enough, we're feeding it. We're feeding it, we're not liberating ourselves, we're just maybe making ourselves feel a little bit better for a short time. But then inevitably, as was my case, I'd constantly be trying to prove I was good enough and then would constantly be disappointed. So I was constantly in these emotions where we're fueling it more and more.

Speaker 2:

And my inner voice, it didn't metastasize into very malignant entities. You know I have these big flare ups whereignant entities that you know. I have these big flare ups where it would be, you know, have a depressive episode. So now that I recognize that's not me, I'm in control of that. You know I'm not. I will never allow myself to be taken down by that. It's not me. I've separated from that voice. I've gone no contact with that voice. From that voice I've gone no contact with that voice and it has no power over me because I say so, and that can be the case for anyone listening too. It just requires a bit of practice. But even knowing that it's not you, that this is an inner narcissist, that it doesn't have your good at heart, even just knowing that can be really transformational.

Speaker 1:

So how does one begin to recognize and to separate ourselves from this voice?

Speaker 2:

well, I think you can. You can. It's. It's helpful to look back and see where it came from. You know, because a lot of people would would argue with me and say, oh, you have to empathize with the voice, and I I agree. It's useful to understand, you know, where did this voice come from?

Speaker 2:

If you had a narcissistic parent, you can see, oh, maybe their parent was very toxic so they took it on. So you can have empathy for it to a degree, but not letting it control you. Just because your mother was brought up by very toxic parents and is mentally ill and is very controlling and dominating and toxic, that doesn't give her a free pass to pass it on to you. And it's the same with this voice, with this inner narcissist. Just because it has been conditioned by hard times and toxic environment doesn't give it a free pass to dump all that on you. So you have the power to say no and that that is key. It's not you, it has no right to dump anything on you, no matter how sad the story is. It's not yours. That shame is not yours and you can say no to it.

Speaker 2:

It just takes a little bit of practice, because we're kind of addicted to shame. To be honest, we kind of, like I said, it's become a kind of, you know, a comfort blanket for us, you know, like the children with the dirty teddy bear, the dirty blanket that's what shame is for us, where we think it's like keeping us safe, but actually it's just filthy, it's just, it's just. It's it's bringing us no good whatsoever and there's no evidence really that shame does anything positive for us. It's just it's a cultural construct that it's beneficial. There's no evidence. If you look back in cultures it does not bring any good. That's all. Guilt, guilt can be positive. Shame has no benefit. So, even becoming aware of those few things, I think they can help you liberate yourself from them.

Speaker 2:

But really it takes making a decision and finding support, because sometimes you can do this on your own, you can definitely start but also finding finding a coach or a mentor or a group of people to support you, because that voice will come and try to tempt you. Just like, if you're trying to go no contact with a narcissistic boyfriend or girlfriend, that person will inevitably try to reach out to you, try to follow, you, try to send you a DM and you have to hold your boundary firm and say no, I'm not taking this anymore. I'm going to follow my own path. I choose to be happy. I choose to be free of shame. This doesn't serve me anymore. 0% serves me and I'm ready to live me anymore. Zero percent serves me and I'm ready to live. I'm ready to be free. I'm ready to stop polishing the cage that I've been in, that I've been in all my life, and actually step outside. And very few people are doing that. Most people are living within the cage of shame and have no idea that they're in there.

Speaker 1:

And I think that's the greatest tragedy, isn't it To be living inside the cage but not be aware that we are inside a cage and to keep polishing it, as you say, or keep dragging around our tatty comfort blankets because we're so used to that? Having that in our lives, having that voice, having that figure in our lives, that's telling us we have to be smaller, we have to be quieter, we have to be something else other than who we are, because we're still not enough. So that's like a an endless self-sabotage cycle that we can't get out of until we insist and it'll tell you, um, that you're not loud enough.

Speaker 2:

If you're very introverted and quiet, it'll tell you that you're not good enough because you're not speaking up enough, even though, rather than accepting yourself for who you are, it'll always, always, always, find a new and innovative way to shame you.

Speaker 2:

You know, so it's like a bottomless pit. This is why, you know, I say don't sit with the shame, because it's a bottomless pit. There is no end to it. It's like a well that has no bottom. You can sit with it all your life and there's going to is no end to it. It's like a well that has no bottom. You can sit with it all your life and there's there's going to be no end to it. It's just going to shower you with more and more shame. That's why we should definitely not sit with shame anymore. You know, you've tried that, probably been doing it all your life. If you're anything like me and look where it's got you do you want something different? Then you need to make a different decision and say no to that.

Speaker 1:

So what I hear you also say is this is about self-responsibility. A while back you mentioned that the effects of intergenerational trauma, that perhaps the narcissistic parent also had a toxic parent and it's gone on for several generations, but that is not an excuse to continue to perpetuate that and to bring that on to the future generation. That becomes like a victim mentality, isn't it? Because I've suffered and you also have to suffer, Whereas what we're saying is we're the cycle breakers of our generation and we have the ability to choose differently for ourselves as well as for the future generations.

Speaker 2:

Exactly Beautifully said that generations Exactly beautifully said. That's exactly it, Serena, You've nailed it and said it perfectly. We are the cycle breakers, or you can be the cycle breaker, but you have to step out of the shadow of shame. That's what it takes to really be free. You've got to get out of shame, You've got to reclaim your shameless and just be shameless, not in the way that language has taken it hostage. You know, we're kind of I feel like we have, you know, Stockholm syndrome when it comes to shame. Shame has taken us hostage and we think it's trying to help us. And no, it's not trying to help us. That voice is not trying to help you. You've just got Stockholm syndrome because you've been with it all your life and it's not helping you. Own that and take your power back.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that is extremely powerful, and I think what people will want to know next is how would they connect with you and work with you, and who do you help?

Speaker 2:

Well, I help women who are ready to step out of the shadow of shame and say no to this narcissistic voice. They don't want to pander to it anymore. Maybe they've tried that for 20, 30, 40, 50 years and they're recognizing. Maybe they've done all the therapy and it just hasn't worked and they're ready for something else. They're ready to actually reclaim real freedom, which means stepping out of this shame Stockholm syndrome that I'm talking about and what I would say for people who are willing, who are, to checking this out. I have a free gift for people. It's five signs that you're ready to break up with your inner narcissist. So these are these are like five signs to look out for to know that it's actually time to break up with it. It's like having a toxic boyfriend, girlfriend, and you need to go no contact with it. So I would say that would be a really good first step. You could also check me out on I've written a lot of things about this on Substack and the Trauma Matrix on there, or you can find me on social media traumamatrix.

Speaker 1:

Brilliant. We'll make sure to include all your links in the show notes for people that want to reach out and find out more. So if you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to leave a five-star rating and review to help the Quiet Warrior podcast reach more introverts and quiet achievers around the world. Thank you for joining us and see you at the next episode. I'm so grateful that you're here today. If you found this content valuable, please share it on your social media channels and subscribe to the show on your favorite listening platform. Together, we can help more introverts thrive. To receive more uplifting content like this, connect with me on Instagram at Serena Lo Quiet Warrior Coach. Thank you for sharing your time and your energy with me. See you on the next episode.