The Quiet Warrior Podcast with Serena Low

105. Rise Above the Script: Self-Sabotage, Identity, and Rewriting Your Inner Narrative with Dr Albert Bramante

• Serena Low, Introvert Coach for Quiet Achievers and Quiet Warriors

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In this deeply thoughtful conversation, Serena is joined by Albert Bramante, a veteran talent agent, psychologist, and author of Rise Above the Script. With more than two decades in the entertainment industry and a PhD in psychology, Albert brings a rare blend of practical wisdom and psychological insight into how self-sabotage, trauma, and unconscious “scripts” shape our lives.

Together, Serena and Albert explore how the stories we unconsciously inherit—often from childhood—can quietly dictate our behaviour, confidence, and sense of worth. While Albert’s work focuses on actors and performing artists, his insights resonate far beyond the stage, especially for introverts and quiet achievers navigating visibility, leadership, and self-belief.

This episode is a powerful invitation to slow down, notice the inner narratives running our lives on autopilot, and begin the courageous work of rewriting them—with compassion rather than force.

In this episode, we explore:

  • What self-sabotage really looks like—and why it’s often unconscious
  • How introverts and highly sensitive people can thrive in visible, high-pressure roles
  • The concept of “scripts”: where they come from and how they shape identity
  • Why procrastination can be a trauma response, not a character flaw
  • The link between generational trauma, identity, and self-doubt
  • How actors—and non-actors—can embody a new identity, not just think it
  • Why change requires being comfortable with discomfort
  • The role of accountability, coaching, and emotional clearing in real transformation
  • How to expand your comfort zone gently, without abandoning yourself


What to remember:

“You can change the script at any time. The moment you realise it’s a script—and not ‘just the way things are’—you take your power back.”

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http://www.albertbramante.com/

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SPEAKER_00:

Hi, I'm Serena Gil. If you're used to hearing that introverts are shy, anxious, anti-social, and lack of good communication and leadership skills, then this podcast is for you. You're about to fall in love with a calm, introspective, and profound person that you are. Discover what's fun, unique, and powerful about being an introvert and how to make the elegant transition from quiet achiever to quiet warrior in your life and work. Anytime you want, in more ways than you imagined possible. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01:

Hello and welcome. Today's guest on the Quiet Warrior podcast is a veteran talent agent and a no-nonsense coach, inspiring actors to cultivate a growth mindset, conscientiousness, and to rise above self-sabotaging habits. Dr. Albert Romante is a seasoned talent agent with more than two decades of experience in the entertainment industry, holds a PhD in psychology, and is a certified hypnotist and NLP practitioner, bringing a unique blend of psychological insight and practical expertise to his work. He is also the author of Rise Above the Script, published in 2024. Welcome, Dr. Albert Bramante to the Quiet Warrior Podcast.

SPEAKER_04:

Thank you so much, Serene. I'm really happy to be here and I appreciate the invitation.

SPEAKER_01:

You're very welcome, and I'm really looking forward to our conversation. Could you begin by telling us a bit about your work and what drew you into what you do?

SPEAKER_04:

Sure. So I right now I work as a talent agent in uh New York and the United States. And I represent actors for film, TV, theater, commercial printed voiceover. And I've been doing that for you know the past 21 years now. And yeah, I really enjoy. I really enjoy what I do. I love working with actors. And for me, I think the biggest joy is being able to help them reach their dreams and just helping people reach their dreams. I do have a background in psychology, and I really didn't what I what I at least was setting out to do this type of work. I didn't really set out to do to work in a performing arts space. That was like really not my intention. It just happened by accident that I was starting to to work in this area in this area. So you know, I took, I always had an interest in the creative arts, you know, drama. I was in a drama club. I was, you know, I took some acting classes in college. So I really enjoyed hanging out with like the theater people, the theater uh group. That was like my area of fun and and enjoyment. And then, you know, I found myself being in New York, you know, and doing some work right around 9-11, where I was helping uh I was I was doing a lot of volunteer work, I should say. And so I started working with actors and I started connecting with actors, and and I really enjoyed the process. And it kind of brought back to my colleges and high school days and how much I really enjoyed it. So I was really, you know, I'm I'm by heart a people connector. And it really, you know, being an agent or, you know, representing actors and helping them find work is really uh my ability to bring people together. So I like to call myself like I help act make actors' dreams come true. And and that's what I sort of do in a sense. And and that's what I uh intend to do in a sense.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think there'll be many people out there who are very grateful for what you do in helping actors make their dreams come true. Because for most of us who are consumers rather than players in the industry, we stand on the outside, we look in, we see successful stories, we see celebrities, we see what looks like an overnight success. But you know, I'm sure from the inside that it has taken many years. It also takes a measure of luck, being in the right time, the right place, you know, meeting the right person. And you have a big role in bringing people together to make that happen for one person who is passionate about becoming an actor and standing on a stage someday.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm. And and that's what I do. And and I when I was going for my PhD, yeah, I kind of bridged, wanted to bridge both of my worlds together, psychology and acting. And so that's where I kind of I specialized in self-sabotage, self-defeating behavior and performing artists. And that was kind of like my area is and and overcoming self-doubt. So initially, that's you know, I did my doctoral work in that area, self-defeating behavior and performing artists, and that became the foundation for Rise Above the Script, my book, Rise Above the Script, which again as um we established was published in 2024, and it was kind of like my way of giving back to the community, and just to really kind of showcase the work.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's talk a bit about the self-sabotage aspect. I'm sure it's something that all of us listening can relate to, not just those who are in the performing arts. How does self-sabotage show up at work?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, it it it shows up in different formats. So it it it's it's when really at the heart of it, people get in their own way. In a sense. So people get in their own way, in a sense, is really what happens there. Um, so people may not live up to like their fullest potential, in a sense, and so that's what that would would look like in a sense.

SPEAKER_01:

What are some things people do to get in their own way?

SPEAKER_04:

Um, really any kind of small activity when they take themselves, you know, kind of like out of the competition. So maybe not showing up for an appointment, maybe being late to appointments can happen. Um, you know, situations like that, just in a sense where they're just not living their fullest potential, in a sense. And it's all their own doing. It's like what we call like getting in their own way. And there, you know, it's definitely like a very sneaky thing because most people don't realize consciously that they're self-sabotaging. They may just be sitting there wondering, why isn't anything going right for me? What's going wrong? And so there can be a whole host of things going on there. And you know, actors are you know kind of complex in some aspects. You know, they're empathic, they sometimes have a lot going on, you know, when they're connecting to other characters. So, you know, a lot of times it's there's a lot of noise inside, too.

SPEAKER_01:

Interesting that you pointed out that actors are empathic. I imagine perhaps some of them would be highly sensitive as well, which is what makes them such good actors, able to Yeah, well, well, it's it's that it's what really brings them together to connect with people.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and and and while that can so totally be an asset, you know, to be able to connect and empathize and all that, it can also be whole, you know, uh uh detriment to because it's it can be very intense to work, in a sense of really connecting with people and and and and in that space. So, yes, um, and because they're highly sensitive, it there's a lot going on. Now, I I kind of um want to bring up even like the the name, you know, what's the theme of your podcast? Because a lot of actors are introverts, which can sometimes be a little much because they're in a field, even though they're performing and you would think, well, they're around so many people, that can be sometimes a hard thing to handle, you know, especially when you're around so many people all the time and kind of expected to perform. And and kind of be on cue, and and you know, sometimes it it's you know, I have I had one actor kind of tell me like they love performing, but they don't like being around too many groups of people, you know. It's like because and then you would say, Well, you're an actor, but they're like, Yeah, but I'm playing somebody else. You know, uh it's different. Because and and a lot of people who may not, you know, be in my industry may not understand that right away, but it's true, you know, that a lot of and I've heard this too about musicians too. Like, even though they may have when they're on stage and they're performing, they may have larger than life personalities and be animated and and all of that and expressive, but when they're off, uh they are completely you know introverted and and don't necess may not necessarily want to be, you know, around groups of people. And they and and they're also dealing with a lot of sensitivity, too, even though again they may play tough, they may, you know, like even actors, some of the most toughest actors that you'll see, you know, on stage or on screen, the most even the villains, the ones that do the villa and do a great job at portraying villains, are very quite sensitive in nature. And why they do so well is because they have empathy towards the character they're playing.

SPEAKER_01:

You've just reminded me that when we hate a villain that we watch in a movie, it's because they are doing such a good job. They've persuaded us that they are that character. And what you're saying also is uh it sounds to me that the intensity of what they are doing professionally has got a mental and emotional load as well. You said that they are taking on emotions, and I I suppose with that they take on the energy of the character as well as the energy of the people that they are acting with, that that group dynamic. So they're having to manage themselves, their own energy and what they are putting into their role professionally and doing the best with that. But at the same time, they have to be mindful. There's an interplay between what they do, like a dance, what they do, what the other actors are doing, how are they watching each other's cues, how are they flowing and all that, and noticing all the details. I imagine that would be exhausting. So that's that off-stage and that on stage persona.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and a lot of times, you know, I mean, yes, you know, typically a lot of actors will bring, you know, the kind of them together, but the idea a lot of times is that they're, you know, a stage, you know, the persona in in in the particular role that they're playing may be at complete odds on who they really are as individuals. And most people may not understand that, you know, initially, or have a hard time understanding that. Because again, they're they um are really good at just you know portraying a cat as portraying a character, reading a script based on what an author, you know, from an author.

SPEAKER_01:

And bringing that to life and persuading the audience that they are that person.

SPEAKER_04:

And and and and that they live that truth, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, yes. Wow. For that to be totally congruent and persuasive, but at the same time, when they've shed that persona, when the day is done and they're going home, they're going to going home to a different version of themselves, or rather the true version of themselves.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. It yeah, exactly. It's and and sometimes because they really do such a great job of connecting and this might again be be sometimes a little hard to grasp, a lot of times they get lost with those two in a sense. Like, you know, they actually sometimes get um you know lost in in that character. And they almost don't even remember where they, you know, kind of came from.

SPEAKER_01:

Where they end and where the character begins. So that's almost like an entanglement or a merger.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04:

Um exactly. It it's like they don't they don't remember where they come, you know, come from and they don't even know where they're going.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Wow. That gives us a new respect for the work of an actor. Now tell us about your book Rise Above the Script. When you say script, I imagine you meant this the stage script for forming arts uh context. But what are scripts essentially and where do they come from?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I I use a script as a metaphor because um, you know, the the uh a script on stage or you know, in a movie or on stage really guides your dialogue both internally and externally as a character. Um there's stage directions, there's fate, you know, even nonverbal directions, and so it's pretty much guiding your entire life. But we also have scripts internally inside of us as human beings that kind of guide our behaviors on a daily basis. You know, how should we behave? How should we think? How should we feel? How should we respond? You know, how do, you know, how do we process this information? How do we process our thoughts? So, and and that you know, it guides us both our behaviors internally and externally. So a lot of us are walking around kind of like an automatic pilot, you know, we're we're working from a state of reaction or being totally reactive, you know, in situations without even knowing why, and without really considering it. So and this is especially true with self-sabotage. Because most of the time, again, when people when they're self-sabotaging, they don't realize they're doing it. It's just automatic behavior. It's like, well, automatically this is just happening. So yeah, it it makes this is why again, it's very um, very sneaky.

SPEAKER_01:

And where do these scripts come from?

SPEAKER_04:

Our childhood, our our parents, our program that we received from from our family, um, from our uh again, our parents when we grow up in a sense, maybe our teachers, our primary school teachers, really will make an input. But ideally, it's it comes from our parents, you know, and and the messages that we receive growing up from them.

SPEAKER_01:

So, how do we become aware of these scripts? And what do we do to interrupt them?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, the first step is get aware of them, and and that takes sometimes insight a bit, uh, a little bit of insight, a little bit of um just really understanding um things in a sense, just really understanding where things are coming from, and really understanding, you know, kind of like the world that we're in. And and that's what really what what comes down to at the end of the day, is really just understanding what what happens and then being able to um you know say no or stand up to to it, or even just challenge that that internal assumption. Like especially with artists, if you walk around as an actor with the mindset or the notion, or even the script that I must be a struggling actor, or just in general, I must be, you know, money is no, you know, is evil. And it's a limiting belief, but it's like a script that goes on in our in our mind and our consciousness that we tend to start living this over and over again.

SPEAKER_02:

So we're acting out the script unconsciousness.

SPEAKER_04:

We're we're we're you know, the script is like being generated subconsciously, but then we're we're acting out on it. And the thing is that we don't really know it's a script, we think that it's like just the way things are. You know, most people that when they're stuck in like that victim mindset, it's you'll often hear it is what it is mentality when it's not, you know, it's your creation, you can change a script at any time, and that's what I mean by like rising above the script.

SPEAKER_01:

So, what are some helpful ways to rise above the script? What can someone do if they recognize that they are living from a script that is no longer helpful? What is something practical that they can start doing differently?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, uh the first thing is changing your life, uh, and and small changes. I'm not talking about radical changes because most people will not do radical changes initially. So let's look at some small things that you can do. You know, what are some little little tiny actions that you can take? You know, what yeah, on a day-to-day basis. And a lot of times it could even be like saying things to yourself in the mirror, like, you know, I am a working professional, I deserve to be here. Um, but really fully believe it. You know, that's why, like, you know, I think affirmations are great, but you really have to um fully believe the affirmation, like fullheartedly, your heart and soul. It's not just, well, I'm gonna be great today, I'm gonna be rich today. Well, that's wonderful. But do you really fully believe that? And do you feel that you're deserving of that? So a lot of times this is where, you know, now if you have a lot of trauma coming in, you know, that that you have a lot of leftover trauma, then it may be a good idea to go to a coach or a therapist, you know, to kind of do what we call like emotional clearing work, to kind of clear that emotion out. And then you can then start to um move on from there and move forward.

SPEAKER_01:

So you're saying that the trauma is getting in the way of someone rewriting their script? Is the trauma causing them to be stuck to read? play the script and not be able to come out of that loop? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_04:

It can be. It can be. Well it's like the the initial cause of of everything. You know, and and so some and what's interesting about trauma, it doesn't have to necessarily be like a sensational event. It could be little things like you know maybe you grew up in a family where you weren't your parents' favorite child. Maybe your parents favored uh your brother or your sister and in a in a more in a very strong way. And so you kind of felt like you had to compete or live in your sibling's shadow so to speak and that will cause someone to feel inadequate. And that could be a trauma or maybe your your parents were were very busy you know and they didn't really know how to show you love and that can hold you back. But is it not also true that most parents come from a place of being well-meaning and good intentions and are trying to do their best for their child absolutely most parents almost all parents really are doing the best they can they have really strong intentions but like everybody else that they also have their traumas and you know they're doing the best of what they can with what with what they have and and so this is why it's really important to understand and and and take a step back and not be so reactive that yes your parents may not have been the best you know by textbook standards or by conventional standards perfect parents they were doing the best they can with what they had and maybe they didn't have strong models themselves to go by. So they were winging it you know doing with what they can and you know even back in the certain generations mental health wasn't really talked about.

SPEAKER_01:

So very likely their traumas went unresolved and then carry it now carries into you your you know generation so we're talking about generational trauma but also the context of it I think understanding the the context of what someone has been through parents grandparents and so on what was what else was happening in the world in their world how were they coping how were they being supported or not supported and how did that create the trauma that then gets passed on to the next generation because it wasn't resolved 100% and and and and and that's entirely true.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean if we inherit personality traits if we inherit physical traits behavioral traits it would make sense that we would also inherit the trauma too you know it wouldn't be that long of a stretch to think that although it's really you know it's I think it's really slowly becoming discussed now more. I think a few years ago if you mentioned general trauma people were looking and say what are you talking about? But it's a real thing. And you know a lot of times we're walking around and this is why sometimes we could even be walking around being you know having the effects of trauma but maybe not even consciously know where it's coming from. And that relates to your and and why it's relating to your behavior especially in yourself um sabotaging behavior. And and that yeah and and very often we are engaging in self-sabotaging behavior because of trauma. Now another exact another big self-sabotaging behavior that almost all of us some some might go through is procrastination. Now you know there's there's normal you know typical procrastination like waiting maybe the last day to pay your bills you know till they're due or you know waiting you know to c to you know as a college student or high school student waiting to the last minute to complete your homework that's that happens but there's people who chronically procrastinate and and very often they don't know what why they do it. They don't know how how to stop it and we're finding out now a link strong link between trauma and procrastination chronic procrastination that it might be a trauma response can you talk more about that sure well you know a lot of times you know we we may even procrastinate because we're fearful of something um you know not necessarily the task itself but maybe the outcome you know especially if you're like trying to build a a legacy or a life and if you complete a certain task well a your life is going to change your identity may change and we you know that can be scary that change can be scary being you know productive can be scary on a even on an unconscious level especially if it's gonna change your identity and your identity you know it can even be something simple as I'm an average student. Well therefore if you keep telling yourself that your subconscious mind is gonna say okay I hear you we're an average student so let's do everything an average student does and what let's not rock the boat on that narrative or if you're a victim you know we're gonna everything's gonna go wrong okay again your subconscious mind says your wish is my command done so therefore we'll wait to the absolute last minute to do something and as much as people will will debate me and and may even disagree with me the idea here is that most people are not product fully productive when they procrastinate now yes they can do they can do a decent job they can get the job done I'm not gonna deny that but very often they're not gonna do it effectively as they could have done it had they used some planning and and broke it down um but yeah definitely trauma and also a lot of times you know being in you know especially going back to the thing in the themes of the podcast uh another sign of trauma especially for introverts is being around being in large groups means thrust into a large group are being put in the spotlight that can be very scary it's like an after being put in the spotlight on stage and and having a moment where they can't deliver right well not only that they forget they may they may flub a line you know and now most of the time the aud you know the the the audience or the viewers if it's on camera may not catch that you know because if they don't unless you're like uh are you know reading the play or reading the scripts of the movie in detail you most likely will not re you know even catch when an actor may throw a line they know though you know because it's the you know they they're living in a moment so they can start beating themselves up in their mind therefore their brain is now going to protect them from experiencing anxiety again and what great way to protect you to make sure you never work again because your brain really has one motivation protect protect you protect and survive and doesn't that also then reinforce the limiting belief that I am a struggling actor 100% I have evidence now I flubbed the line see and you know what they don't realize is that instead of like you know because nor the normal conservative practice says see I can't do anything right I flubbed the line but it's because you already had that struggling mindset that caused you to choke on that line to begin with metaphorically so it's kind of like you're looking at things the other in the you know from an external situation rather than an internal so you're reacting to something instead of taking control of it assuming agency and doing something about it.

SPEAKER_01:

So how does one develop that self-responsibility or self-leadership in order to avoid these self-sabotaging behaviors?

SPEAKER_04:

Well the first thing is like you know you want to start practicing accountability and you know really radical radical honesty and radical accountability what we mean by that and this is where again a good coach will come in and um hold you accountable because the the first thing is accountability you know like um taking taking responsibility for how you're responding and and and what's going on and and it may not always be fun to do that but the important thing is is like once you start taking accountability and that might mean you know putting things on your calendar getting things you know following through what you say following through your word leading life with integrity when you start to do that that's when you'll start to see things change that's when you rise above the script by writing a new one exactly you write you write you change the narrative and you know you're not perfect nobody says you're perfect but the idea here is that you start to change the narrative a bit that's where being an actor comes in very useful isn't it because they're already used to taking on a script really being in the moment with that script to becoming that character.

SPEAKER_01:

So if they could write themselves a new script and embody that script or that new character they would have a head starter over the rest of us. Yes absolutely when you said to embody you said you know it's one thing to say the affirmation but then you have to fully believe the affirmation you have to you really embody it what do you mean by that can you go into that a bit well embodying it means truly like living it not I I can tell you Dan and that I mean I can come right now and just tell you how I um you know I'm the king of uh of England and I'm gonna make you know I'm ruling this now no I'm not you know I'm just saying you that and the same thing goes if I turn around and say well I'm successful that's great wonderful but embody it means I'll truly believe it truly internalize it take the mindset of a successful person take the mindset of a confident person that's what's important so it's like fully embodying that what would a successful person do in this situation?

SPEAKER_04:

How would they walk how would they carry themselves how would they conduct themselves on all of those things should be what we should be striving for. So you're actually painting in the details not just saying something that's you know theoretically or intellectually sounds good but you actually have to take on that role as though you are that person to be so convincing to yourself to your own subconscious mind that this is who I am now this is my new identity yeah and it's it's not just telling other people because you know that'll follow but it's really convincing it to yourself. That's the hardest job of all the it truly is and and again because it's as we have to change and as human beings we don't like to change we like to stay comfortable in a situation we like to stay the status quo in a sense so being comfortable well that's that's just not not a good thing. You know that I mean being uncomfortable I mean being comfortable we want to do we want to stay comfortable and and and we want to stay safe because we know comfortable means being safe at least and a subconscious level so to do things differently to start acting in a certain way changing your script in the beginning is scary and so and uncomfortable and what we have to do in in if we're gonna truly change and truly embody new characteristics we have to be what we call comfortable with being uncomfortable you know like a double entendre there. It's like we have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's we're gonna have to step outside our comfort zone one way or the other and that's why I think you mentioned a few times the importance of that emotional clearing work and of having a coach or a therapist or someone like that to support us with that process. Because it's not something I think any of us can undertake alone. It is a it's a huge journey this personal inner work that you're referring to where people learn to become radically honest and radically accountable.

SPEAKER_04:

We need to have someone by our side or have a support network of some kind to support us through that messy middle of that transition isn't too yeah exactly and and and and it can be messy it's gonna be it's not gonna be a smooth thing it's not gonna be like it it the change especially if you're changing a script that you've been carrying around for years think of how long it took you to get where you are now to kind of unravel it it's gonna take you know a lot a little bit of time too so it's not gonna just be you know smooth sailing and because if it wasn't we'd all be like you know millionaires on the odds and successful but it's not you know it's not that easy and it takes time it takes perseverance it takes you know uh implementation what is one thing you want the introverts and the quiet achievers while listening to this to take away from our conversation today the one thing well first of all you are enough and really respect your limitations because you know it it definitely it's important to connect with other people but you we need to be compassionate with yourself I think it's important to be compassionate you know use compassion with yourself and you don't have to be the you don't have to go to every party you you respect yourself if you need to recharge it's okay to set boundaries you know even for me like you know I'll go to a lot of conferences and sometimes they'll they'll have the show flowers and the and the meetups and and I love and I really like talking to people but sometimes the the crowds can be a bit overwhelming especially if I don't know anybody that a lot of people there. So for me sometimes I'll I you know I'll go there for like 10 15 minutes say hello my hellos and I'm gone I know myself I know what I can do and and I'll still take you know and and and I don't this is it now sometimes if I'm having a good conversation I'm not gonna leave of course but you know if I I know my time I'm like okay I need to recharge let me go back to you know my go back to my space and then I can always come back down an hour later the important thing is knowing you you know who you are and what and how and how that will show up. And and that's different for everybody what might work for me may not work for for you it's it's important to kind of be delicate treat yourself nicely and be gentle.

SPEAKER_01:

But at the same time also work about changing and those two things can sound like they are a paradox but they're not I think there's plenty of room for us to expand our comfort zone but at the same time while we're doing that to hold ourselves gently and compassionately as we go about it.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes yeah I mean and and do it slowly I mean I'm you know I when I say step out your comfort zone yeah we're not talking do something radically something small do something a little bit differently and then start gradually once you get get used to that then add something else to that and and eventually you will change have a big change but you do it in steps and and you're more likely when it's small and manageable like that it's going to be easily reached more rather than you know setting these lofty and out and outrageously high goals that are almost impossible to reach this is why most New Year's resolutions fail because people set such large lofty resolutions and they don't reach them because they're too big and too little time.

SPEAKER_01:

So be more patient be a little bit less ambitious with the goals and take it think of it as a long-term project. Yes exactly it it's long term and you gotta be in it for the long term well thank you so much Albert for sharing your time and your wisdom with us today and making us aware of the scripts that are running our lives and how to rewrite them so we can live from empowerment rather than fear. Thank you again Serena for having me here if you enjoyed today's episode be sure to leave a five star rating in review to help the Quiet Warrior podcast reach more introverts and quiet achievers around the world. And for resources on how to thrive as an introvert make sure to join the visible introvert community at Serenalo.com.au see you on the next episode I'm so grateful that you're here today.

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