The Quiet Warrior Podcast with Serena Low

108. The Body-Mind Connection: Healing Emotional Pain and Trauma with Dr. Evette Rose

• Serena Low, Introvert Coach for Quiet Achievers and Quiet Warriors

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In this inspiring and deeply personal episode of The Quiet Warrior Podcast, Serena Low sits down with Dr. Evette Rose—author, speaker, trauma recovery expert, and creator of Metaphysical Anatomy and Metapsychology Coaching.

Evette shares her remarkable journey from studying law and working in male-dominated corporate environments to becoming a globally recognized healer, author of 21 books, and teacher of trauma-informed modalities. She opens up about overcoming childhood wounds, facing her fear of public speaking as an introvert, and discovering how emotional pain shows up in the body.

Listeners will walk away with practical insights on using their strengths in times of stress, how subconscious beliefs impact health (especially for women), and why even the smallest act of presence can create powerful ripple effects.


What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  • The turning point: How Evette went from corporate life and atheism to rediscovering spirituality and healing.
  • Overcoming fear as an introvert: Her struggle with public speaking and how focusing on her why and strengths helped her keep going.
  • Strengths-based resilience: Why identifying and leaning on your strengths can reduce fear and build confidence in stressful situations.
  • Stress and Women’s Health: The hidden link between “pushing through” stress, hormonal imbalances, and common health conditions.
  • Healing subconscious patterns: Understanding how inherited beliefs about lack and struggle can keep us stuck.
  • Writing as healing: Why each of her 21 books began as a personal journey through pain and how writing can be cathartic for introverts.
  • Multiple purposes: How embracing different purposes across your life can be liberating and empowering.


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SPEAKER_02:

Hi, I'm Serena Lowe. If you're used to hearing that introverts are shy, anxious, antisocial, and lack good communication and leadership skills, then this podcast is for you. You're about to fall in love with a calm, introspective, and profound person that you are. Discover what's fun, unique, and powerful about being an introvert and how to make the elegant transition from quiet achiever to quiet warrior in your life and work, anytime you want, in more ways than you imagined possible. Welcome.

SPEAKER_03:

Hello and welcome. Today's guest on the Quiet Warrior Podcast is Dr. Yvette Rose, author, speaker, trauma recovery expert, and the creator of Metaphysical Anatomy and Metapsychology Coaching. Yvette has worked with over 7,000 clients, authored 21 books, and taught trauma-informed healing in more than 43 countries. Her best-selling book, Metaphysical Anatomy Volume 1, explores 722 ailments and the emotional root causes behind them. It's used by practitioners, therapists, and everyday people around the world. She has spoken at international medical conferences, developed powerful modalities like a metaphysical anatomy technique and metapsychology coaching, and helped countless people heal emotional pain that had been living in their bodies for years, often decades. Welcome Dr. Yvette Rose to the Quiet Warrior Podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much for that beautiful introduction, Serena. And I am thrilled to be here with you today. I really look forward to today's episode.

SPEAKER_03:

Me too, me too. Could you start by telling us a little bit about your professional journey and what has led you to do what you now do?

SPEAKER_00:

What an interesting question. So after you just introduced me, I'm going to throw a plot twist in there. Would you believe me if I told you that I actually studied to become a lawyer and a crime scene investigator?

SPEAKER_03:

I love you.

SPEAKER_00:

Can you believe that? You didn't see that coming, right? No, not at all. I was so passionate about bringing justice, to bringing answers where there's questions, where there's distress, and to, you know, to put the wrongs right. Little did I know at the time that this was the little yvette, the little inner child that was looking really truly for her justice. Because I had quite a tough relationship with my father. He was not the kindest person. And so, in a in a quite a negative way, I might add, it felt at least for me, he was also my biggest teacher. And so, with this journey of you know, the dynamic that I had with him and and really how that set me up for how I dealt with my emotions, my stress, how I valued myself as a person. And I think that really set the stage for me who needed that that um all the wrongs to be put right, who needed the apology, who needed to understand why. Why did all these things happen? And so that career choice was really intriguing because it was so in alignment with everything in me that was stirred up during my childhood, right? I I but at the time I didn't make the connection. And then I couldn't afford the studies anymore, so I had to let that go. And I actually studied business management. So I ended up um working as just you know in head office, you know, in corporate, very strong male-oriented environments and um construction sites, and then back in the head office. So it was quite a I mean, sometimes the ratio was 2,000 men to four women, right? So it was it was a scary environment, especially for someone who's, you know, I was still 18, 19 at that time. And then, long story short, I actually ended up wanting to start to improve my own quality of life. I really struggled with the harsh environments that I was working in, being quite a quiet, you know, person that just needed to have her space, just needed to have her time. And then being in this constant, abrasive environments that felt harsh, you know, the criticism, the judgment, it's like it was it was a lot. And I think just one thing led to another. My childhood just piling up all that stress, and I realized wow, something needs to give, something needs to change. That's why we start personal development. There's something in us that we would like to address and shift. And so I hit my road. Sorry, my my um, what do you call it? My crossroads. And this is where I and I was raised actually Christian, but I became an atheist because my dad was the drunk Christian with the Bible under his arm, right? So my introduction to religion was very, very unhealthy and very tainted with his views and his perspectives, which was not healthy at all. So I switched and I became the atheist. And when I went onto the computer to start to find out how I can change my life, how can I turn things around? So, Rena, do you know what I found? You know what Google showed me way back then when we still had these clunky dull computers, right? Like this is way back then. Doreen virtue, angels, Neil Donald Walsh, color therapy, conversations with God. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, oh, is this a joke? All I want is to be happy, and this is what I see. And I don't know if you can relate, but when you are in a situation where you have done absolutely everything, and you feel figurative speech that you're on your knees, that you seem to warm up to things that you normally would just shut down. Because who am I in that moment to judge if I myself do not even have the answer? And so I thought, okay, so it's going to be Neil Donald Walsh and me. And I started reasoning conversations with God, and long story short, I fell in love with God again. I fell in love with my my healing journey and bringing my focus and my attention back to me and diving into different tools to unravel this inner child that was just so fearful and full of anxiety and and panic, and to just really starting to heal these core wounds. And I saw the changes in me, and I was so so liberated. I had no idea that so much happiness can be on the other side of pain. And that contrast, that realization, that awakening that we actually can be happy made me so motivated to share it with other people. So I ended up just showing people what I did, just specifically what I did, and made a few YouTube videos and it went viral. It went viral. It went to the point where I found a business partner, we partnered up and we traveled the world as a result of this. And I'm watching how people shift and change and understanding wow, this emotion means that this may be stored in this part of the body. Oh wow, isn't it interesting that if you have chest pain, that maybe there are certain emotions relating to um fear and anxiety and suppressed anger, wow, this is really interesting. So I started documenting all of that, and this is really how my journey started. Completely by chance, I would say, really truly just from me wanting to improve my life. If you had to tell me that I would be an author and I would be doing what I'm doing today, I think I probably would have passed out and never woke up. I still really just the contrast, you know. Imagine that being a full-blown atheist, and then six months later quitting my corporate job, packing my bags to travel and speak. It's just it was incredible. It it's like I sometimes feel like there was someone just came in with the one and just said, wishes granted. Was quite a journey, quite a journey, but here I am, and here we are.

SPEAKER_03:

And I thank you so much for sharing that journey with us. When you said you can't imagine that happening, I th I'm thinking of it on two levels. You know, there's that logical, rational side of us that we are conditioned to follow that says that's not possible, nobody's ever done that in my family. I've I've come from this kind of an upbringing, I haven't been exposed to such things. So those things are not possible, not within the realm of possibility for me. But at the same time, you said it was like someone had you know waved a wand. And I'm thinking of the quantum leaps that can happen when we tap into that inner knowing, that divine source, that's there's some kind of wisdom, higher wisdom, right? That we are all connected to. And maybe we've become disconnected from that, but you found a way back to yours, right? And then you went from a certain path to your own path, yeah, which you could not have seen.

SPEAKER_00:

That's true. And you know what, Serena, what was really hard about that, even though it's such a beautiful blessing, at the same time, it unraveled a really big nightmare for me. Because I'm people will never guess this about me. So when people ask me, so Yvette, can you share something with me that I never would have guessed? Something that people would never know. When I tell them I'm an introvert, they're like they're in complete disbelief, they don't believe it. Because now, Serena, I'm traveling. Now it's working with people, now it's interacting with groups, it's not just one-on-one. And my fear of public speaking, I collapsed. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. It took me five years to really get to the point where I could speak and not and not shake, where you couldn't hear my voice shake, right? Like it was really that bad. I remember this. We actually we made a DVD, and way back then, before you know, we'd had like YouTube series and everything, you know, we filmed DVDs. And I only had to say one sentence because my business partner did all the talking. I mean, he was great. I had to say one sentence. The moment and there was professional cameras at the house, there was professional lighting, everything was set up. I just had to say that one sentence. And when I sat down, I burst out into tears, and that was it. I couldn't even finish the sentence. I couldn't even say it. As the co-founder, I tanked. So it was quite a journey to really get back to that point of public speaking because not only was I an introvert by heart, my dad also reinforced this what you have to say doesn't matter. You know, stop talking, stop crying, and it's you know, don't don't speak, be quiet. It's this constant reinforcement of your truth and your flow of just communication. So that was that was it was a tough, it was a tough um nut to crack. I'm not gonna lie. It took me, it put me into therapy, but for a good reason, for a good reason, because it helped me to overcome that. How do you manage being an introvert and then switching to entertaining groups of people, working with people, you know, it's trauma work, it's stress work, speaking about your life. And you know, you see people different facial expressions, you're seeing their emotional feedback to what you're saying. It's it really, really triggered a lot. I will not lie, it was tough, but I'm thankful that my passion in helping people was stronger than my fear, and that is what really helped me to keep bringing me back to why am I doing what you're doing? Even every time when I felt like giving up, because the fear of public speaking was so great that I felt like giving up a few times. I was like, this is too much. I'd rather go back to corporate. I I can't do this. And I had to keep bringing myself back to why am I doing this? Why am I here? What was so important about this that that I got myself this far. And I really leaned on that. That was my crutch. I really leaned on that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I love that you highlighted the importance of the why and continually going back to that because that is very useful for those of us listening who are who resonate with your story, who also have their fear of public speaking or any kind of public-facing, customer-facing kind of work where we don't feel like we're in our natural comfort zone. And it's not helpful to tell an introvert to come out of their comfort zone or come out of your shell or to be someone different, because we're just wired uniquely. And our strength actually lies in that one-on-one communication, that very focused, very present kind of um, you know, kind of energy. And I love that you found a way through or around your fear by focusing on the passion. Because a lot of introverts and quiet achievers get held back by the fear and they just see it as a full stop, as a closed door. But what you're saying is if you focus on the passion and keep going back to the why, that becomes more important. It I think it does take your focus off yourself, which I find that when I'm too self-focused, I get completely, you know, I I start to believe my own fears as though they are something that you can't surmount. But you have sucking it. It sucks you in, doesn't it? It does. It has this that kind of energy of sucking you in. And so to be able to remember that there is something bigger at stake, there's something bigger you're connected to, there's something meaningful and purposeful out there, and it's worth doing. I think that's so helpful.

SPEAKER_00:

That was really important for me. And you know what also helped me something that I would love to share with everyone listening right now, if this is something that you can relate to, especially if it's something that you really want to do, but you feel that fear creeping up, is to actually, there's this strength. Um, this there's a there's a test online that's free. It's a it's a strength test, which is like a questionnaire that you can fill in, and then you can see what are all your strengths. And so what I learned to do, and I learned this also with my um PhD in psychology, uh, and in positive psychology, is um when we focus on a strength that we have in a stressful situation, it actually helps to build resilience. So, what I learned at the time, what I didn't realize before studying positive psychology is that I looked at, okay, all right. So I have a fear of public speaking. This is a lot, okay, we're breathing. So we go back to the why. Why do I love this? But then I also went to the this part where I realized, okay, wait, wait. I'm so much more than someone who's scared of speaking in public. What are my strengths? What are my strengths? And I said, okay, I I'm really good at feeling compassion. Okay. So instead of feeling or focusing on the stress of what people are gonna think, let's focus on feeling compassion because people judge because they are also scared. So at the end of the day, people in that audience is just as scared as me, but for other reasons. And I'm like, okay, so that kind of started to lessen the feeling of it's just me. I'm all by myself, I'm isolated because when we feel scared, we feel isolated. We're like, What? It's just me. No one will understand this. And that makes us just that makes us string. And so this helped me to realize, okay, I'm gonna focus on my strength and I'm going to just be here and stand here in this place in compassion. And I'm going to feel compassion for the audience. And just as good as I am at feeling compassion for people, I'm going to give some of that compassion for myself right now because I'm really trying. So this was these were the pep talks that I went through. And I think for people who are, you know, by nature introverted, it's it's really important to focus on what are your strengths, what are you good at? Because these are the first things that go out of the window when we get stressed. We forget how strong we are, we forget what we're good at. So, what's really helpful is to think, okay, what are all my strengths? Which strength can I bring into this situation right now that can support me? That really, really helped me. And I think, and I hope that this might also serve as a as an important um mindset reframe in terms of what we can emotionally lean on before we allow that that fear gremlin to become bigger than us. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03:

So a strengths-based approach. And how your particular strength can give you something extra in the situation that connects you also to your audience. I agree with you that when we are fearful or when we are too absorbed in our own perceived weaknesses, we disconnect ourselves from the people we are with. So it's important to recognize that everyone else has those are universal fears. Just about everyone is afraid of being in that spotlight, being the one that everyone else is looking at, having the weight of expectation on them. So for you to identify yourself with the audience and to see that, you know, we're all peers together here, we're all experiencing the same sorts of fears. What can I do to connect with myself and with you in this moment in a helpful way?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, exactly. And and you can do this in any kind of situation where you feel challenged, where you suddenly feel, wow. You know, we've all had these experiences where we feel like our confidence, it's like this rug has just been ripped out from under you, and you just feel really vulnerable right now. I've had a lot of those moments, and it's in those moments where we panic and then I bring my focus back to my breath, to my breathing. Because when we stress like that, we dissociate and we're completely out of the body. And the way to get back into control is not through an analytical way, because that will actually exacerbate the Because this is where we start to rational, you know, become irrational. So we need to come back into the body. And a beautiful, safe way to do that is to just follow your breath. Just bring your full focus and awareness to your breath. Okay, I feel stressed. So regardless of what the challenge is that you're facing, what are my strengths? Which of my strengths can I tap into right now that can support me in this challenge? This has been incredibly helpful. And the reason why is when we tap into a strength that we have, it's a strength for a reason. We know that we're good at it. So we trust this part of ourselves that we can now unlock and bring into this stressful situation to support us. I find this works really, really, really well. So I do invite those listening, if that ever happens, try it.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you for highlighting that. And I think to add to what you just said, it's also important to have that self-awareness before that moment of panic arises. Because usually when we're panicky, we can't think properly. So I think in the quiet moments, in the peaceful moments when nothing too much is happening, make some room to reflect on your own strengths. So you know what they are. You're constantly in touch with them. You don't have to invent them on the spot because introverts are not good at wigging it.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. And I'm gonna share a secret behind the scenes. So I actually had my my strengths on a posted notepad on my computer for that reason. So when I do panic or when I do stress, I'm looking at okay, which one is gonna work? And I'll scanning, I'm like, which one is gonna serve me right now? Okay, determination, okay, I am determined. Yes, okay, I I can tap into my determined side right now, and I'm gonna bring I'm gonna embody that and I'm gonna bring that into this situation right now. And this is how I trained myself, right? So I I started with posted notepads, and I have no shame admitting that because we have to start somewhere at some point, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Agree with you. Yeah, yes. We need more of those visual cues, more of ways that we can constantly remind ourselves that we are strong, that we have strengths, that we have so many powerful qualities that can serve as something to anchor us in those times where the ground is a bit shaky, as you say. Now I want to take you back to something you said earlier about how emotions affect our physical health. And I'm thinking particularly of women's health. Can you talk to us about that?

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. So when we are so stressed, we are actually in a state where the woman, a woman's body, is less resilient to constant stress than what a man's body is. And I've seen this time and time and again working with my clients. And what I see, what happens with women, is at the end of the day, when we work, we work, we have to provide. We also have to support sometimes financially, help our husband to earn more money. I mean, the world's getting more expensive. Let's let's be honest about it. It's tough. Now, what this I have to fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, I have to work, work, work. We are in a state of heightened cortisol. And when we are in that heightened state of distress, normally it comes from a place of not aggressively fighting, but pushing. We have to push, we have to go. And when you really start to sink deeper into what is the underlying roots of that, that is the fight response. And what happens is when we are in that push, that fight response of having to fight forward, fight our way through this, right? Fight through the fatigue, fight through the brain fog. It's it's it's a push, right? Yeah. So this is now what happens is it pushes women out of their feminine state and it pushes us more into our masculine state. And when women are more in their masculine state, this is now what I have seen when that stress response starts to run all the time and it doesn't switch off in healthy ways. Women start to have um thyroid problems, women start to have cysts in their breasts, or there could be um cysts in their ovaries, or there's um their periods are completely upside down, it's it's irregular, bloatedness, irritable bowel syndrome, and a lot of the times chronic fatigue, um, stomach problems like stomach ulcers and hair falling out. I see that a lot with women and adult women with with acne from stress. This is what I've seen. This I have to push, I have to fight, this response does to a woman's body, because our bodies are meant to be able to be in a state of balance with being the nurturer, which is a more soft, graceful, supportive approach, and we can work from that space, absolutely. But when we are fearful, when we are working from a place of lack, that's where we start to fight. That's where we start to push. And when I when I sometimes work with women who are in these circumstances, the first thing that I do is we need to pull the plug, we need to release this stress that you have around lack. Yes, maybe your circumstances are showing you that, but stressing over it and that to the point where it's impacting your health is a complete disadvantage to you. It's not putting you in a strong place to thrive in your career where you can work in a more restful, rejuvenating, clear, calm, clear-minded way as well. And then still go home and be there for your children and your family and your friends, right? We we have more than just career stress, we have other stress as well. And then sometimes we have our own unresolved trauma and stress from our own childhoods that we're trying to deal with at the same time. So to just take away that that false belief of constant living in a state of lack and shifting our focus back to, well, what is going right in my life? What am I doing right? These just these two factors alone are incredible because they start to break the illusion that things are always going wrong, right? Because it's that stress becomes an unhealthy addiction. What sometimes happens is, you know, we we start to associate, you know, struggling through this task with this dopamine because we we're getting tasks done, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we reach the goal. So now we're training the mind and the body to become used to the dopamine being released through struggle rather than the actual goal. And that's why a lot of women they just don't get to their end goal because the body is used to the struggle, because that's where it gets the dopamine. So every time when we get close to our goals, somehow we sabotage subconsciously, or we give up just before we get there. Or no, no, no, that fear is now bigger than what my desire for the goal was. So this is where we start to, in a subtle way, not intentional, sabotage, purely because of neurochemical programming, and also how we we handle that stress. So this in in very short is how stress can impact a woman's health. But every time, I'm telling you, every time when you see breast cancer, cyst in the breast, stomach, you know, um uh um bloating, um, you know, reproductive challenges, you will see that there is a push. I have to push, push, push, push. I can't stop, I can't stop. I must go, go, go. It's it's this this hamster in the wheel. And there's a fear of stopping. There's a fear of letting go. And it's that it's that scarcity, it's that lack, whatever it is that they feel that they're lacking, whether it's in themselves or in the environment. And that is normally often the subconscious driving factor that's causing people to go, go, go, go, go until they start to develop these different, extended coping strategies and mechanisms. So at the end of the day, by the time when you look at the ailment or the stress or how it's showing up in their health, you're not just dealing with one issue. Now you have multiple points to also look at. But first and foremost is to tackle the lack, whether it's emotional lack, lack in your environment, but that relationship with lack that needs to be addressed.

SPEAKER_03:

There's so many points that you've highlighted that I don't quite know where to start from. But I think it's really important that you've acknowledged the multiple layers of stress that women carry, they're the additional mental, emotional load, and that you've also said it's possible to retrain mind and body to work together to overcome that stress by releasing that limiting belief around the lack, the perceived lack. Correct. And I think it's important that you said also that it's subconscious because a lot of people start becoming aware of these things and then they feel guilty, they start condemning themselves. Oh, I should do it differently, I should know better. It's actually not that. If you are listening to this, know that a lot of this is based on the subconscious scripts and conditioning that we've all been exposed to from childhood, even from well-meaning and the best parents, right? Because we do these things unconsciously, and then we pass them on to the next generation and the next generation. So then what we are dealing with is the result of generations of past off beliefs and um pain and suffering and and ways of seeing the world, which are no longer helpful in our particular context. So I think having that awakening, that uh moment of realizing this is not helping me right now, this is not helping me in my life, and this is not the way I want to live my life. What can I do differently? Who can I be differently?

SPEAKER_01:

How can I recreate myself from that more compassionate perspective? Beautifully said that you're an excellent note-taker and summarizers.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. Just bullet points. Thank you. But definitely, yeah, I cannot place enough emphasis on the fact that this is subconscious. No one wakes up every day thinking, how can I work myself into the ground? We don't do that. Of course, our intention is to strive for happiness, is to strive for you know to reach our goals. But sometimes these internal mechanisms that, and even in my case, I was not aware of. You know, I became aware of it when I really started to dig, and I mean really deep, and I started to speak to mentors because I myself couldn't get to where I needed to be. I I needed help and I absolutely got my mentors and support. And even with that, sometimes there were blind spots where things were obvious to the mentor, and I'm just like, can't be. No, I would never, no, I would never feel that. So there was denial, even denial on my part, because there was, there were just parts of me that just didn't want to believe that I had certain negative beliefs because we tell ourselves sometimes something to a certain point where we identify with it so much that it can close us also off to other possibilities of what could be going on under the surface that could be contributing to our pain. And what I might what I learned through my it's a self-protecting, um, it's a self-protecting strategy. Let's just be honest, because I was protecting myself as well. So I felt like, wow, I'm already going through quite a lot. I don't want to hear this right now. But what I didn't realize is that it wasn't criticism, it was data.

SPEAKER_01:

It was data or data, I don't know how you say there, data, data.

SPEAKER_00:

It's always a dance. And okay, this is just data. All right, so what am I going to do with this? So, what helped me was to start to see feedback from people that I was working with um more so as information, and then giving the power back to me. Okay, well, what would I like to do now with that information? And that process and tackling it from that angle made me feel more empowered rather than feeling like someone's pointing a finger at me, which it didn't go down very well. I was quite, you know, as introverts, I think we all can agree that we have a sensitive side and it it's helpful when things can be delivered in a more gentle, graceful way. So I started to see um and I started to use keywords with my mentors. Okay, let's refer to this as data. Okay. Um, it's not if I see you're doing that. It's just eventually I see data coming forward, such as maybe the possibility of when that happens, then these emotions come up to less identify with it as me being in the fire line. I noticed the way of how challenges were being communicated made such a big difference in my attitude towards it. I actually started to feel this willingness. I'm like, wow, okay, I'm gonna tackle this. Now I feel really good about it. Instead of feeling that, well, I'm doing this and you're doing that, you know, it makes you feel almost like you're doing something wrong. It's like you're you're guilty of something or you feel shameful. So just for everyone else listening, that was my booby trap. I don't know what your booby trap maybe has been in the past, but to be mindful of when you are addressing challenges that you have been through in the past, and when maybe when someone is helping you, notice how you would like feedback to be delivered to you because that is really important in um friendships, in therapy, all of that. Like my friends know, as an example, when I go through really tough times, don't don't ever say to me, Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Oh, you poor thing, that must that that's that's terrible. That is a big no-no for me because it makes me personally feel demeaned and that you cannot see my capacity to deal with this. Instead, if you see I'm going through a hard time and I'm opening up about it, please just say, I hear you, and I'm right here for you if you need me. That empowers me. Now I feel wow. Okay, someone is seeing me. I feel seen, it felt safe, it felt good, and I wasn't looked down on like, oh, you you you you poor thing. It enrages me when people say that, and it makes me feel like I'm not capable. When in reality, we all are. It's just a matter of are we choosing our support to be delivered in the right way. So my friends know when when we have our pity parties, which we all do, we have our petty parties, right? So when I have mine, they know how to respond to me in a way that makes me feel more actually more empowered rather than adding fuel to the fire. So I hope this helps also for everyone listening, you know, through my journey of understanding my introvertedness, because my friends sometimes confuse my public personality with who I actually really am as a person when I'm not on stage. And sometimes they they will still be connected to the event that's on stage. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. That that that that is an event that's in her purpose, but I also have a purpose in a different way because we have multiple purposes. We always think that we have just that one ultimate purpose. Where there's a need, there's a purpose waiting to be fulfilled. So that means you can have a purpose for one minute, five minutes, a lifetime. You can have multiple. And so one of my purposes that I'm very clear and strong in is to be a speaker now, because I finally overcame that fear. And I learned how to be an introvert and a public speaker at the same time, and it absolutely is possible. It's absolutely possible. What did it happen overnight? No, it took me years. It took me years, but I got there because I started to learn how do I want to be supported as an introvert? Because we're just wired differently, let's be honest. And that requires different approaches in terms of being supported.

SPEAKER_03:

I think what you've said is really important for those of us who are the quiet achievers who are not used to articulating what do I need, where are my boundaries, what would be helpful for me right now. So for you to know that so clearly that the mode of delivery matters. It's not just the message, it's also how it is conveyed to you and how it makes you feel, which goes back to what you said about it being important to know your own strengths. It's a strengths-based approach. You want to be reminded that you are capable, you are strong. Whereas somebody else who's listening may be thinking, but I'm quite happy just being told, Oh, I'm so sorry you're going through this. If that makes me feel good. So I think it's important for people listening to be clear what it is that most benefits you, supports you, gives you that sense of anchoring or, you know, being being buffered in the moment. And that's different for each person.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's good to be clear. Absolutely. Yeah, you know, that emotional feedback, that that is your GPS. And that's why I said it's so important to learn and understand what makes you feel good and what makes you feel bad. Don't worry about articulating specific emotions. You will know when you feel elevated and when you feel a little bit more sad or down when someone responds a certain way to you. And something really else, Serena, that I would really, really highly recommend to everyone, everyone, even though you might not want to become a public speaker, but this was my breakthrough. You can do a self-paced online course anywhere or with anyone, but I would highly recommend to go through public speaking online course. You can even though you're not gonna speak, but do it privately for you because those skills really help me to become clearer in myself. That really, really helped me. And every time when I work also with someone who is like me also with the being an introvert, communication is the hardest. It's tough because we're quiet by nature, right? So now suddenly, if if you're in a working environment where people don't really even understand how to spell introverts. And now you have people in your face, and you have to stand up, you have to speak, you have to do all these things. It's a lot. It is a lot to digest. And what I found was just learning simple communication tools and skills that can help me in these moments. It really, really helped me to feel more stronger and resilient, and also clients that I work with. Just simple, there's no, there's no specific course, even just something really simple, private, self-paced that you can do for yourself. That will really give you a lot of just that that internal, how can I say, cushion, that that comfortableness to feel just a little bit more prepared, even though you might never need it. But have you noticed how much more confident you feel when you feel prepared?

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SPEAKER_03:

So I do hope that that helps. That is good news for every introverted listener because we love to be prepared. We hate winging it. We we like to know that we have a bit more capacity than we actually need in the moment. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

That's all of the overachieving part, right? Yes, absolutely. And the idea of a self-paced course, oh, that's a dream for introverts. We love the self-paced course. We love taking things at our own time, preferably not having to see someone in person or or even online. We just want to do it quietly in our own time. Yes. And then to know that I have these skills, I can rise to the occasion if needed. I will have the words, I will have the language, I have a chance to practice, maybe role play on my own in privacy. Yes, it does make you feel more equipped in the moment. Exactly. Maybe defray some of that anxiety that comes up.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. I love that.

SPEAKER_03:

Tell us about the 21 books though.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh Serena, I'm gonna rephrase that. It was 21 meltdowns. I'm gonna be really honest with you. That was 21 meltdowns. So every book that I have written has been uh a place, a dark place that I have been in my life myself. And I wrote about how what I did with it, um, how did I move through it, and then also how did I coach and help my clients and students through that as well. And there's also a lot of research that I share in each book around these specific topics. So every book is literally a healing journey in my life, and I, you know, I think my my books also came from this part of me that in the past didn't always want to speak about myself and writing about it was easier. And this is where I think this was also very healing and very cathartic for me because I still stand very strong in my purpose, which is to be of service to people, is to help people. I love it, and I love it so much that I sometimes lean on that passion sometimes to get me through my my fear of speaking and my fear of of doing things that would cause me to be seen because you're an author, people are they're gonna see your work, and especially when I wrote about my autobiography, that was tough. I mean, I went through four of this, four keyboards, external keyboards, because I cried so much. It was tough, it was so hard. It's one thing to have your story in your head, but when when it was on the computer and I was reading it, I feel like that disassociative state dropped, and I felt it, and I felt all of it, but as as confronting as what it was, it was also very revealing, but very, very healing, but also very stressful. So, you know, as introverts, we like to be private, we don't like really people to know who we are, what we do, you know, we kind of like like things to be a certain way, but I kept leaning on that that passion, that love to help people and writing it rather from the perspective of thinking, oh, I'm going to be judged. I wrote it with the perspective of there's going to be someone that's going to feel every word. And if that person can just find comfort in my words and lean on that, and I can support them in that way, so be it. And and and and was that it was that message that really carried me through finally writing that autobiography because it was it was tough. It was really was tough. I was brutally honest. Um, in every chapter, was I was a different age in every chapter, and I wrote every chapter from that age. So when I was 10, I wrote like a 10-year-old, like how I was thinking and seeing the world. And so you'll actually see as the chapters progress how I mature throughout the process, which is how my interpretation of thoughts matured um throughout my life as well. So yeah, because I find a lot of autobiographies that people write, they write it as an adult. You I mean, do you really remember what you felt as a six-year-old? Because now we're interpreting it as an adult, what that six-year-old would have felt like. I was really going back into those moments, like trying to see it through my eyes of a six-year-old. What was I thinking? What was I feeling? How was I interpreting my environment and all of that, and then writing from that space. And I think that's probably also what made it so much harder, was like really going back into those moments. But I'm thankful that I did it because the feedback that came from that book was was incredible. And still to this day, it's actually used in one of the universities in Switzerland as part of the psychology case studies as part of their curriculums. So it's yeah, it I didn't know. I was just walking in the street and someone just said, Are you a vet? And I'm like, Why do you know? Why would why would someone in Switzerland know me? I mean, you you have your own language. It's like, oh my god, your book is in our university. And so she told me the whole story, and I'm like, I didn't even know. I didn't even know. So yeah, it's just it's this feedback that just I I hold on to that. I really hold on to that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think that's great encouragement for every introvert who thinks that they are just speaking to one person or trying to encourage one person. That one person matters when you write for one person and one person is touched, there's that ripple effect that goes out, that compounds, right? The butterfly effect. So don't don't discount or underestimate your personal impact on the world. Because the one person that you affect, the one person that needed to hear what you said in that particular way, expressed, you know, in your unique lens, I think that that is that's already fulfilling your purpose.

SPEAKER_00:

Right there. Remember what I said earlier, also. We we don't, we always we our self-esteem needs to feel like our purpose is is so gigantic, but it's not. I can't tell you how many clients I've had where they would tell me stories saying, Yvette, you know what? There was a day where I spoke to someone and that person came in just the right moment, and they just said one thing to me, or we just said one sentence in a s in a in a shop, and it it it regulated me in that moment because I felt like I was gonna have a panic attack. And that person who spoke to that person had no idea, they had no idea of the impact that they just had on that person's life, because we don't get to see the validation of what our impact created in someone else's life, and sometimes we just need to let go and know that what we said, what we did, how we showed up, and just our presence is sometimes just enough, and it's good enough, and it's beautiful because helping just that one person, how do you know that just maybe you now helped an entire family?

SPEAKER_01:

Because maybe that person has to be strong for 10 other people, right?

SPEAKER_00:

So it just you never know how far that ripple effect is going to stretch.

SPEAKER_03:

That's exactly how I see as well, and I think this is a beautiful place to wrap up. How do you what was the best way for people to connect with you and work with you, Yvette?

SPEAKER_00:

Of course. So you can find me at metaphysicalanatomy.com. And I also have a fun free gift for your for your viewers, which is also on my website. It's just there on my books tab. It's a free ebook called Restoring the Emotional Body. If you want to learn a little bit more about if I feel anxiety, what could it be? If I feel pain in my back, what could maybe my body trying to tell me? So this can be a really fun way for you to connect to it. And you're gonna love this. Are you ready? There's a self-guided pre-recorded video of me where I'm going to talk you through a beautiful healing meditation as well. So you can you can imagine having me there as your private therapist when you have maybe challenges coming up. So read the book, see how it works, or you can just go to the to the pre-recorded video as well in whatever challenges that you're feeling and gently go through that at your own pace.

SPEAKER_03:

That is such a beautiful and generous gift for our introverts. So thank you on behalf of everyone who is listening. And I I'm reminded of what you said at the start about wanting to be a lawyer and a crime scene investigator, because your quiz, in a way, comes full circle, because this is all about understanding ourselves, that curiosity. Why am I this way? Why am I wired this way? What's what makes me tick? What makes other people tick? And so it's that curiosity and unearthing and the root causes and all that comes out again in your multiple purposes and the work that you do. So thank you so much. I really appreciate you for this very illuminating conversation that's also very healing for people to listen to, very encouraging and validating on so many levels. And uh thank you for reminding us that we have multiple purposes. It doesn't have to be just one big impressive sounding thing, but it can be many, many small things. And those small things matter. And one person matters as well. So if you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to leave a five-star rating and review to help the Quiet Warrior Podcast reach more introverts and quiet achievers around the world. And for recommended resources on how to thrive as an introvert, make sure you're subscribed to the Visible Introvert newsletter at Serenalo.com.au. See you on the next episode. I'm so grateful that you're here today.

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